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I'll explain what happened. If you don't believe me, ask Rev. Ivan Stang himself.

Pope Hildegard posted this on her user page and this was sent to Stang:

Many years ago, I was given a Church of the SubGenius membership by my sother. I didn't know what the church was, so read about it. It looked to me like an excuse for my man to quit his job, commit acts of violence, and have sex with anyone and anything without caring about how any of this would affect me. Maybe you can understand why this did not fill me with great enthusiasm for the church. I don't remember if I tossed the membership packet or burned it. Maybe I made him eat it.

But later she got involved and adopted this site, SubGenius Wikia Clench. I gave her a gift membership so she could prove she was a card-carrying member even though Wikia does not allow requiring membership in any group to edit a wiki or even to be an admin. She didn't want to take it because her sother had already paid for her membership and I didn't have a membership. She didn't want to have two memberships when I didn't have any. So she gave it back to me which was really nice.

So I asked Rev. Ivan Stang if a new member could use Pope and & in their membership name. He said that was fine. So I signed up as Pope Hildegard & Miley Spears. I thought that way we could both post on ScrubGenius. The Church accepted that. I posted as Pope Hildegard & Miley Spears for a couple of days with no problems. It wasn't being a sockpuppet, it was the opposite. It wasn't one person acting like two people, it was two people acting like one, although I'm not sure if Pope Hildegard ever posted there under that name. It was my idea, so don't blame Pope Hildegard for it.

According to Rev. Ivan Stang, someone else removed me from ScrubGenius not because of that, but because of what happened on this website. Stang said he wouldn't have removed me with no notice and no warning at all, but still wasn't happy with what's been happening here on SubGenius Wikia Clench. I'm not happy with what's been happening here either.

The rest of this I don't know if Stang can verify or not. I'm not going to post a list of those problems again because they're all over this website and I've been blamed for a lot of them. Some of them are my fault. I am a noob Bobbie Girl. But I'm using sources and writings and research and images from people who have been SubGenii for a long time. Some of those SubGenii have identified their usual SubGenii name and some haven't. That's their choice.

Pope Hildegard & Miley Spears was two people acting like one, not the other way around.

That's what happened. If you don't believe me, ask Rev. Ivan Stang. Miley Spears Discordian American Princess to the Stars (let's talk) 22:03, October 6, 2015‎ (UTC)

I just sent Rev. Stang an apology for my starting this whole stupid mess. I asked him to change my membership name to just me. I'm really sorry I caused all those problems for Pope Hildegard. If you don't believe me, ask Rev. Ivan Stang. Miley Spears Discordian American Princess to the Stars (let's talk) 04:55, October 8, 2015 (UTC)


To clarify, I never posted on Scrubgenius under the name Pope Hildegard & Miley Spears.

Miley Spears, I appreciate your effort in clearing this up. But I'm afraid this is going to be something like President Barack Obama's birth certificate. People claimed he was born in another country because they hadn't seen proof he was born in America. Then when he presented proof, they claimed the proof was fake.

But President Obama didn't have Rev. Ivan Stang say his birth certificate was real. If Stang said it was, everybody would believe it. :D Miley Spears Discordian American Princess to the Stars (let's talk) 03:19, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Also you neglected to sign your post. Pope Hildegard (talk) 13:56, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

I fixed it. Miley Spears Discordian American Princess to the Stars (let's talk) 03:19, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I should add that I knew about Miley signing up as Pope Hildegard & Miley Spears and did not oppose it, so I am just as responsible for the confusion as she is. Pope Hildegard (talk) 22:16, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I won't argue about it but it was my idea and I'm the one who did it. But thanks. :) Miley Spears Discordian American Princess to the Stars (let's talk) 04:44, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for requesting the change in membership name. I don't think that will convince the disbelievers, but you've done what you can. Pope Hildegard (talk) 16:07, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

What would convince the disbelievers would be if you gave me admin powers back again, as I created this wiki and wrote most of its content, and the SubGenius leadership was happy with this wiki when I was admin. If I had my admin powers back I could put an end to all this drama. --The Overmind (talk) 00:38, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

I know you know this already, but just so anyone reading this knows, a proposal to make you admin has been made in Forum:Dobbstalk. Pope Hildegard (talk) 13:42, October 14, 2015 (UTC)
Hopefully you're right and that and this forum post will clear things up--with help from The OVermind. Pope Hildegard (talk) 17:15, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm not taking yours, only my own. Pope Hildegard (talk) 14:30, October 20, 2015 (UTC)